Legislature(1995 - 1996)

01/10/1996 01:35 PM House FIN

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                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                        January 10, 1996                                       
                            1:35 P.M.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE HFC 96 - 1, Side 1, #000 - end.                                         
  TAPE HFC 96 - 1, Side 2, #000 - #399.                                        
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark Hanley  called  the House  Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 1:35 P.M.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Martin                          
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Mulder                          
  Representative Brown          Representative Navarre                         
  Representative Grussendorf    Representative Parnell                         
  Representative Kelly          Representative Therriault                      
  Representative Kohring                                                       
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Ivan  Ivan;   Representative  John   Davies;                 
  Representative  Bettye  Davis; Wilson  Condon, Commissioner,                 
  Department  of Revenue; Dr. Charles Logsdon, Chief Petroleum                 
  Economist,  Department  of Revenue;  Mike  Greany, Director,                 
  Legislative  Finance  Division;  Richard  Pegues,  Director,                 
  Administrative Services Division, Department of Law.                         
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE - FALL REVENUE FORECAST                                
                                                                               
  WILSON   CONDON,   COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT   OF   REVENUE                 
  introduced Dr. Charles  Logsdon, Chief Petroleum  Economist,                 
  Department of Revenue.                                                       
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Condon  referenced  charts   included  in  the                 
  Revenue  Update Hearing packet provided to Committee members                 
  by   the   Department   of   Revenue.     [Attachment   #1].                 
  Commissioner Condon provided a  review of the charts  in the                 
  Department's 1995 fall forecast of unrestricted general fund                 
  revenues  and the State's  oil production cost.   The Spring                 
  1995 revenue forecast predicted the State would receive $1.8                 
  billion  dollars  in  general  fund  unrestricted   revenue,                 
  although,  the  closing  price  is  anticipated to  be  $2.7                 
  billion dollars.   Given the difference, the  State Treasury                 
  will receive $194.5 million dollars more than anticipated in                 
  unrestricted revenue.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Commissioner Condon summarized areas  in which a  divergence                 
  from the spring revenue forecast  existed:  Corporate income                 
  tax, miscellaneous  other taxes, resource  sales, investment                 
  earnings, rents, royalties and miscellaneous revenues.                       
                                                                               
  Representative  Martin questioned  the  $900 million  dollar                 
  Constitutional Budget Reserve  (CBR) payback decreed by  the                 
  court.   He understood more  funds should be  available this                 
  year   for   distribution   resulting  from   the   payback.                 
  Commissioner Condon countered  that the full amount  had not                 
  been removed from the account, and stressed that those funds                 
  would not be available.                                                      
                                                                               
  CHARLES LOGSDON, DR., CHIEF PETROLEUM ECONOMIST,  DEPARTMENT                 
  OF REVENUE, pointed  the Committee  members had received  in                 
  their packet a  FY 1996  Petroleum Revenue  Update from  the                 
  Department of Revenue.  Dr. Logsdon  referred to a series of                 
  charts which compare  the FY 1996\FY 1997 revenue  base case                 
  scenario.  The  Department of Revenue assumes that FY96 will                 
  generate  $1.8 billion dollars in revenues from unrestricted                 
  general fund.  The  key oil providers would be  Alaska North                 
  Slope Oil (ANS) at 1.49/bbl providing $16.36 per barrel.  He                 
  advised  that  this  year, production  has  not  matched the                 
  State's  expectation  and  that the  State  is  currently 13                 
  thousand barrels a day  under the targeted amount.   At this                 
  point, production is up.                                                     
                                                                               
  Dr. Logsdon summarized  fundamental points of the  world oil                 
  market which  underlines the  forecast.   He noted  that the                 
  demand  for oil is  strong, interjecting  that as  the world                 
  economy grows, so the demand for oil increases.                              
                                                                               
  He continued that FY97 and FY96 assume similar international                 
  oil prices, although, less oil per day  will be pumped.  Dr.                 
  Logsdon added, the  fundamental assumptions critical to  the                 
  projections were "rocky" oil prices.   At the same time, the                 
  Department assumes that the embargo will not be lifted.  The                 
  demand for oil has  been trending globally upward with  a 2%                 
  increase per year.                                                           
                                                                               
  Dr.  Logsdon added  that there  have been concerns  with the                 
  Organization of Oil Exporting Countries (OPEC) market share.                 
  The market predicts  that oil prices  should be coming  down                 
  with increased  OPEC  oil production,  squeezing the  market                 
  shares.  Current  oil production  forecasts do reflect  that                 
  information.  Dr. Logsdon emphasized that current base price                 
  predictions do support the evidence.                                         
                                                                               
  Dr. Logsdon addressed the possibility  of lifting the export                 
  ban, resulting in an additional  $40 million dollar revenue.                 
  By lifting  the ban,  Alaska will  obtain the  best possible                 
  price for  their oil and also a  price base for rural market                 
                                                                               
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  trade.                                                                       
                                                                               
  In  response  to  a concern  of  Representative  Martin, Dr.                 
  Logsdon stressed that  Venezuela was  currently a member  of                 
  OPEC  and in  agreement  to follow  production  quotas.   He                 
  reminded members that all countries  involved with OPEC want                 
  to increase production.   Dr. Logsdon added that  Alaska oil                 
  would always be  the most desireable  crude oil on the  west                 
  coast,  although, by lifting  the ban, oil  sales could then                 
  move to the Far East market.                                                 
                                                                               
  Co-Chair    Hanley    questioned    production   reductions.                 
  Commissioner  Condon  explained  that  change resulted  from                 
  differing oil and gas  forecast predictions.  The change  in                 
  the  projected volume  forecast resulted  from  an incorrect                 
  analysis of prediction methods used in the past.  The double                 
  counting  effect had  been  in place  during  the Fall  1994                 
  forecast.   To date,  the State has  not researched  systems                 
  used before that date.                                                       
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley provided Committee members with a comparison                 
  sheet of FY96\FY97 revenue base  case scenario.  [Attachment                 
  asked  if   that  resulted   from  an   incorrect  analysis.                 
  Commissioner  Condon stated  that  the current  charts  will                 
  provide more accurate information.                                           
  Representative Mulder inquired if the oil pipelines could be                 
  shifted  for  use  of  natural  gas.    Commissioner  Condon                 
  explained that to consider a shift  of line use would depend                 
  on the market  value of gas.   He stressed that  putting the                 
  gas  back  into   the  ground  would  maximize   liquid  oil                 
  production.  By the year 2010, the amount of oil lost by use                 
  of the gas would be substantially  lower and would then be a                 
  more reasonable investment.                                                  
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 96 - 2).                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder asked if there would be any completion                 
  of tax dispute settlements this year and what the cumulative                 
  value of  those disputes would be.   Commissioner Condon was                 
  not  aware of  any cases at  this time  which were  close to                 
  resolution.  He  added that the  pending amount owed to  the                 
  State was $1.5 billion dollars.                                              
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell  questioned  a  FY  95  Supplemental                 
  request made  to the Department  of Law in the  amount of $2                 
  million dollars which  would be paid to a  law firm to cover                 
  costs  for  an  analysis  of  the  Department  of  Revenue's                 
  forecasting methodology.  Commissioner Condon explained that                 
  an extremely complicated revenue  forecast program had  been                 
  used  by  the Department  of  Revenue  for many  years.   An                 
  agreement  was  made  with the  Department  of  Law and  the                 
                                                                               
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  Preston Law Firm  in November 1995 to review that situation.                 
  The assistance  was utilized in  order to create  a complete                 
  documentation  of   the  program   currently  used   by  the                 
  Department of Revenue.                                                       
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell  requested copies  of correspondence                 
  between  the  two  departments   indicating  that  decision.                 
  Commissioner  Condon  was  not aware  of  any correspondence                 
  resulting from that decision.  He added that the forecasting                 
  model had been the focus of concern and attention during the                 
  State's oil and gas litigation.  Co-Chair Hanley interjected                 
  that the amount had been  reported as an encumbrance  within                 
  the supplemental, and the surplus  amount should have lapsed                 
  into the general fund.                                                       
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Hanley  questioned  the  Department  of  Revenue's                 
  choice  of  the   Department  of  Law  to   obtain  modeling                 
  information and  funding.  Commissioner  Condon advised that                 
  when a review  of a  revenue forecast occurs,  a party  that                 
  understands  how  the  State of  Alaska  obtains  revenue is                 
  solicited.    He  continued,  that  the  Department  of  Law                 
  understands  how  the  economy   within  Alaska  works   and                 
  therefore would be an appropriate choice to overview the law                 
  firm  and  audit  chosen.    Co-Chair Hanley  suggested  the                 
  possibility of a conflict  of interest to choose a  law firm                 
  that  provides  litigation  to perform  the  audit  and then                 
  suggest changes to the modeling procedures.                                  
                                                                               
  RICHARD   PEGUES,   DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                 
  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF LAW, acknowledged that $100 thousand                 
  dollars had been  encumbered for the above  mentioned needs,                 
  adding that  the $2 million encumbered dollars would be used                 
  for a block of work.  He stressed that the budget request in                 
  FY96  had  been reduced  by  $4 million  dollars.   Co-Chair                 
  Hanley voiced concern that $2 million had been encumbered in                 
  the FY96  Supplemental, although  should have  been used  in                 
  FY95.  He  concluded that  either the FY96  budget had  been                 
  under funded or that the Legislature had not been adequately                 
  informed of all  situations affecting the budget  during the                 
  hearings.                                                                    
                                                                               
  In response to a question by Representative Martin regarding                 
  the  taps  tariff,   Dr.  Logsdon  referenced  a   chart  in                 
  Attachment #1.  The taps tariff recent filing represents the                 
  first result  of  a  major  attempt  by  Alyeska  to  reduce                 
  operating expenses.   Lower expenses  this year will  affect                 
  the projected costs for future years.                                        
                                                                               
  Dr. Logsdon concluded that inflation  will also affect costs                 
  and profitability  of the  pipeline.   Production also  will                 
  affect  the  taps   tariff  by  establishing  a   method  of                 
  calculation; the anticipated costs per year would be divided                 
                                                                               
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  by the anticipated cost per barrel for shipment.  The tariff                 
  would be driven by inflation  and those costs would increase                 
  as a result  of less barrels of oil  extracted to handle the                 
  increased costs.                                                             
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 2:40 P.M.                                           
                                                                               
                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                        January 10, 1996                                       
                            1:35 P.M.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE HFC 96 - 1, Side 1, #000 - end.                                         
  TAPE HFC 96 - 1, Side 2, #000 - #399.                                        
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark Hanley  called  the  House Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 1:35 P.M.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Martin                          
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Mulder                          
  Representative Brown          Representative Navarre                         
  Representative Grussendorf    Representative Parnell                         
  Representative Kelly          Representative Therriault                      
  Representative Kohring                                                       
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Ivan  Ivan;   Representative  John   Davies;                 
  Representative  Bettye  Davis; Wilson  Condon, Commissioner,                 
  Department of Revenue; Dr. Charles  Logsdon, Chief Petroleum                 
  Economist,  Department of  Revenue;  Mike Greany,  Director,                 
  Legislative  Finance  Division;  Richard  Pegues,  Director,                 
  Administrative Services Division, Department of Law.                         
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE - FALL REVENUE FORECAST                                
                                                                               
  WILSON   CONDON,   COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT   OF   REVENUE                 
  introduced Dr.  Charles Logsdon, Chief  Petroleum Economist,                 
  Department of Revenue.                                                       
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Condon  referenced   charts  included  in  the                 
  Revenue Update Hearing packet provided  to Committee members                 
  by   the  Department   of   Revenue.      [Attachment   #1].                 
  Commissioner Condon provided  a review of the  charts in the                 
  Department's 1995 fall forecast of unrestricted general fund                 
                                                                               
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  revenues and the  State's oil production  cost.  The  Spring                 
  1995 revenue forecast predicted the State would receive $1.8                 
  billion  dollars  in   general  fund  unrestricted  revenue,                 
  although,  the  closing  price  is  anticipated to  be  $2.7                 
  billion dollars.   Given the difference, the  State Treasury                 
  will receive $194.5 million dollars more than anticipated in                 
  unrestricted revenue.                                                        
                                                                               
  Commissioner  Condon summarized areas  in which a divergence                 
  from the spring revenue forecast  existed:  Corporate income                 
  tax, miscellaneous  other taxes, resource  sales, investment                 
  earnings, rents, royalties and miscellaneous revenues.                       
                                                                               
  Representative  Martin questioned  the  $900 million  dollar                 
  Constitutional Budget Reserve (CBR)  payback decreed by  the                 
  court.  He  understood more funds  should be available  this                 
  year  for   distribution   resulting   from   the   payback.                 
  Commissioner Condon countered  that the full amount  had not                 
  been removed from the account, and stressed that those funds                 
  would not be available.                                                      
                                                                               
  CHARLES LOGSDON, DR., CHIEF  PETROLEUM ECONOMIST, DEPARTMENT                 
  OF REVENUE, pointed  the Committee  members had received  in                 
  their packet  a FY  1996 Petroleum  Revenue Update  from the                 
  Department of Revenue.  Dr. Logsdon  referred to a series of                 
  charts  which compare the FY 1996\FY  1997 revenue base case                 
  scenario.   The Department of Revenue assumes that FY96 will                 
  generate $1.8 billion dollars in  revenues from unrestricted                 
  general fund.  The  key oil providers would be  Alaska North                 
  Slope Oil (ANS) at 1.49/bbl providing $16.36 per barrel.  He                 
  advised  that  this  year, production  has  not  matched the                 
  State's  expectation  and  that the  State  is  currently 13                 
  thousand barrels a day  under the targeted amount.   At this                 
  point, production is up.                                                     
                                                                               
  Dr. Logsdon summarized  fundamental points of the  world oil                 
  market which  underlines the  forecast.   He noted that  the                 
  demand for  oil is  strong, interjecting  that as  the world                 
  economy grows, so the demand for oil increases.                              
                                                                               
  He continued that FY97 and FY96 assume similar international                 
  oil  prices, although, less oil per day will be pumped.  Dr.                 
  Logsdon added, the fundamental  assumptions critical to  the                 
  projections were "rocky" oil prices.   At the same time, the                 
  Department assumes that the embargo will not be lifted.  The                 
  demand for oil has  been trending globally upward with  a 2%                 
  increase per year.                                                           
                                                                               
  Dr.  Logsdon added  that there have  been concerns  with the                 
  Organization of Oil Exporting Countries (OPEC) market share.                 
  The market  predicts that oil  prices should be  coming down                 
  with  increased OPEC  oil production,  squeezing the  market                 
                                                                               
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  shares.  Current  oil production  forecasts do reflect  that                 
  information.  Dr. Logsdon emphasized that current base price                 
  predictions do support the evidence.                                         
                                                                               
  Dr. Logsdon addressed the possibility  of lifting the export                 
  ban, resulting in an additional  $40 million dollar revenue.                 
  By lifting the  ban, Alaska  will obtain  the best  possible                 
  price for  their oil and also a  price base for rural market                 
  trade.                                                                       
                                                                               
  In  response  to  a concern  of  Representative  Martin, Dr.                 
  Logsdon stressed that  Venezuela was  currently a member  of                 
  OPEC  and  in agreement  to  follow production  quotas.   He                 
  reminded members that all countries  involved with OPEC want                 
  to increase production.   Dr. Logsdon added  that Alaska oil                 
  would always be  the most desireable  crude oil on the  west                 
  coast, although,  by lifting the  ban, oil sales  could then                 
  move to the Far East market.                                                 
                                                                               
  Co-Chair    Hanley    questioned    production   reductions.                 
  Commissioner  Condon  explained  that change  resulted  from                 
  differing oil  and gas forecast predictions.   The change in                 
  the projected  volume  forecast resulted  from an  incorrect                 
  analysis of prediction methods used in the past.  The double                 
  counting  effect  had been  in  place during  the  Fall 1994                 
  forecast.   To date, the  State has  not researched  systems                 
  used before that date.                                                       
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley provided Committee members with a comparison                 
  sheet of FY96\FY97 revenue base  case scenario.  [Attachment                 
  asked  if   that  resulted  from   an  incorrect   analysis.                 
  Commissioner  Condon stated  that  the  current charts  will                 
  provide more accurate information.                                           
  Representative Mulder inquired if the oil pipelines could be                 
  shifted  for  use  of  natural  gas.    Commissioner  Condon                 
  explained that to consider a shift  of line use would depend                 
  on the market value  of gas.  He  stressed that putting  the                 
  gas  back  into   the  ground  would  maximize   liquid  oil                 
  production.  By the year 2010, the amount of oil lost by use                 
  of the gas would be substantially lower and would then  be a                 
  more reasonable investment.                                                  
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 96 - 2).                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder asked if there would be any completion                 
  of tax dispute settlements this year and what the cumulative                 
  value of those disputes would  be.  Commissioner Condon  was                 
  not aware  of any  cases at  this time  which were close  to                 
  resolution.  He  added that the  pending amount owed to  the                 
  State was $1.5 billion dollars.                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Representative  Parnell  questioned  a  FY  95  Supplemental                 
  request made  to the Department  of Law in the  amount of $2                 
  million dollars which  would be paid to a  law firm to cover                 
  costs  for  an  analysis  of  the  Department  of  Revenue's                 
  forecasting methodology.  Commissioner Condon explained that                 
  an extremely complicated  revenue forecast program  had been                 
  used  by  the Department  of  Revenue  for many  years.   An                 
  agreement was  made  with  the  Department of  Law  and  the                 
  Preston  Law Firm in November 1995 to review that situation.                 
  The assistance was  utilized in order  to create a  complete                 
  documentation  of   the  program  currently   used  by   the                 
  Department of Revenue.                                                       
                                                                               
  Representative  Parnell  requested copies  of correspondence                 
  between  the  two   departments  indicating  that  decision.                 
  Commissioner Condon  was  not aware  of  any  correspondence                 
  resulting from that decision.  He added that the forecasting                 
  model had been the focus of concern and attention during the                 
  State's oil and gas litigation.  Co-Chair Hanley interjected                 
  that the amount  had been reported as  an encumbrance within                 
  the supplemental, and the surplus  amount should have lapsed                 
  into the general fund.                                                       
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Hanley  questioned  the  Department  of  Revenue's                 
  choice  of  the   Department  of  Law  to   obtain  modeling                 
  information and  funding.  Commissioner Condon  advised that                 
  when a review  of a  revenue forecast occurs,  a party  that                 
  understands  how  the  State of  Alaska  obtains  revenue is                 
  solicited.    He  continued,  that  the  Department  of  Law                 
  understands   how  the  economy   within  Alaska  works  and                 
  therefore would be an appropriate choice to overview the law                 
  firm  and  audit  chosen.    Co-Chair Hanley  suggested  the                 
  possibility of a conflict  of interest to choose a  law firm                 
  that  provides  litigation  to perform  the  audit  and then                 
  suggest changes to the modeling procedures.                                  
                                                                               
  RICHARD   PEGUES,   DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                 
  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF LAW, acknowledged that $100 thousand                 
  dollars had been  encumbered for the above  mentioned needs,                 
  adding that the $2 million encumbered dollars would be  used                 
  for a block of work.  He stressed that the budget request in                 
  FY96  had been  reduced  by $4  million  dollars.   Co-Chair                 
  Hanley voiced concern that $2 million had been encumbered in                 
  the FY96  Supplemental, although  should have  been used  in                 
  FY95.  He  concluded that  either the FY96  budget had  been                 
  under funded or that the Legislature had not been adequately                 
  informed of all  situations affecting the budget  during the                 
  hearings.                                                                    
                                                                               
  In response to a question by Representative Martin regarding                 
  the  taps  tariff,   Dr.  Logsdon  referenced  a   chart  in                 
  Attachment #1.  The taps tariff recent filing represents the                 
                                                                               
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  first  result  of a  major  attempt  by  Alyeska  to  reduce                 
  operating expenses.   Lower expenses  this year will  affect                 
  the projected costs for future years.                                        
                                                                               
  Dr. Logsdon concluded that inflation  will also affect costs                 
  and profitability  of the  pipeline.   Production also  will                 
  affect  the  taps   tariff  by  establishing  a   method  of                 
  calculation; the anticipated costs per year would be divided                 
  by the anticipated cost per barrel for shipment.  The tariff                 
  would be driven  by inflation and those costs would increase                 
  as a result  of less barrels of oil extracted  to handle the                 
  increased costs.                                                             
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 2:40 P.M.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
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